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New Garden Plot Option

Last week two gardeners and I participated in a meeting at the Park District where Option 1A was announced. Essentially it would provide for two athletic fields for use by NCHS by relocating the plots of the southern section of the West Street Garden Plots instead of the northern section.

My comments were only in reference to the process that was followed. The public input meetings and the survey of the gardeners resulted in the two organizations getting together to develop an alternative option which they believe may be more acceptable.

We, and the other gardeners that I have talked with and have been working with, continue to believe that any option which requires relocation of any garden plots is not acceptable. None of my comments should be interpreted as my approval, or the gardener’s approval, of implementing Option 1A.

Supt. Leis commented at one of the public input meetings that bussing students is not a safety issue. However, the gardeners also heard the public and understand that bussing the students should be avoided, which takes Option 4, and possibly Option 3, off of the table.

Option 2 is left. From the very beginning of this process we have been disappointed that this option has not been studied in more detail. At the public meetings and in other conversations members of the public have pointed out that there are quite a number of Park District, SD 203, SD 204, City and privately owned fields and open areas that are either not used or are underused. A number of people have questioned the effectiveness of the scheduling of these spaces.

Naperville’s youth that participate in the club sports organizations that are impacted by Option 2 are not bussed. Typically everyone travels by car, or car pool, to whatever field has been designated for practice and games.

We are in a 2-3 year transition period before the Nike sports complex is fully developed which I believe will resolve the field problems for the club sport organizations.

Surely improved scheduling and the use of some of the under used and not used fields can allow Option 2 to be viable for the next 2-3 years. It may require practicing/playing on fields which have limited parking or on fields that are "retention basins." Many of these fields have not been observed to retain any water, except in the big rain storm back in the 1990's, if even then.

It may require some "thinking outside of the box" by the staffs to convert these assets that are only cost black holes to convert them into productive assets. I believe that all parents will understand when once or twice a season a field is unplayable because it is too wet; I did when my children were in the Soccer Program.

Lets evaluate Option 2 in detail before a final vote is taken by the School District and the Park District and avoid having to go to the City Council.

Douglas A Dallmer

619 Fredericksburg Ct

Naperville, IL 60540

630-961-9265




Letter to the Park District and School District 203

From: doug_dallmer (NZ)
To: McGury_Ray ; aleis@naperville203.org
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:20 PM
Subject: The Garden Plots

Dear Mr. McGury and Mr. Leis
 
I have just checked the websites for the Park District and School District 203.   I was pleased to see that the Community Garden Plots FAQ's prepared by the Park District was available on that site as well on the Park District website.
 
The brochure on the School District site bears the logo of both organizations and the address & websites for both organizations.  However, the closing paragraph that urges emails to be sent only lists the School District's address.   The omission of the Park District's email address for responses and comments is a very disappointing oversight.    I have already received 2 irate phone calls stating "See the School District is trying to ram this through and take the garden plots"
 
One thing that is disturbing to me and a number of my friends is the apparent lack of foresight by the School District.    I believe that everyone in town was aware in 2006 and 2007 that the cemetery was going to take back their property.    Didn't the School District know?   If yes, why wasn't that addressed in last year's $114.9 million referendum?   Did the need for extracurricular athletic fields suddenly crop up?   Surely funds could have been included in the referendum to purchase additional athletic fields as well as funds for any construction and equipment.    The proposal to build a complete new school on Knock Park would aggravate the problem now being discussed and I do not remember any discussion of athletic fields.
 
During the meeting in June 2008 to discuss the CMM review the School District 203 representative outlined the use of the northern section of the garden plots for athletic fields.   The gentleman was very specific and emphatically stated that the athletic fields would not be used for Physical Education classes during school hours, but would be used only after school hours for extracurricular activities.
 
I was pleased to see that the School District is realistic and is exploring four alternative options.   
 
Option 1 -  Use the Northern section of the garden plots    --- This option should not be pursued.
 
Option 2  -  Use the area between Martin Avenue and Osler Dr.   --- This option should not be pursued.   This area is extensively used for youth football and baseball.   A quick look at a Google map of the area shows significant infrastructure of lights, baseball & softball fields, permanent fencing, snack bar - announcing facility which would have to be converted to green fields for lacrosse & soccer.    Of course all of these would have to be rebuilt in some other location.
 
Option 3  -   Use other School District 203 property or other Park District fields    ---  This option should be pursued.   In addition to the fields mentioned I believe there are some schools west of Plainfield/Naperville Rd. which have fields that could be used.   Yes, there may be some inter-governmental agreements and expense but it offers the minimum of disruption of existing Park District programs.   There are also many open fields, retention basins, etc. that are within a couple of miles of NCHS that could be utilized, purchased, rented or leased.
 
Option 4  -  Create athletic fields at DuPage River Park    ---   This Option should be should be implemented.   As the School District states "This is a long term solution"   Why is there any hesitation?   There is no disruption of existing Park District programs.       
 
The NNHS teams travel to Nike Park why can't NCHS travel to Naper & Royce?   So the children have to be bussed.   This is a significant problem?    I remember when my children were bussed during the school day to NNHS for PE swimming and for extra curricular swim team practice.    Why is bussing a no-no?
 
Except for the first disadvantage  -- bussing which is real but not significant problem -- all of the other disadvantages listed are somewhat or totally misleading.
 
- "New fields will be needed to be developed"  True also for Options 1, 2, and possibly Option 3.   The implementation cost for Option 4 will be significantly less than Options 1 & 2 and less than Option 3.
 
- "Timing of completion would be questionable"   Not even remotely true for Option 4.   The FAQ document states that no growing season would be lost means that implementing Option 1 would not occur until Spring 2010.   In fact Option 4 could be ready by the Spring of 2009.   A grader can prepare the fields in a week and sod laid in another week, allowing some time for growth I suspect that 6 weeks from "Go" would get the job done.
 
- "Added athletic trainer time for off-site use"    This would also be true for Options 2 & 3 and maybe Option 1.
 
- "Additional equipment would need to be purchased"   This would also be true for Options 1, 2, and 3.
 
 
If Option 4   ...is a long term solution,    ... and the cost to make the necessary changes are the lowest of all four options,   ... and the disadvantages are essentially the same as for Option 1, 2 and 3  ... and the athletic fields could be ready by the Spring of 2009,  why are we even going through this process?
 
 
 
The SOS (Save Open Space) group has reviewed the Park District's plans for the Ponds of Hobson West Park.    They have notified the Park District that they recommend Plan "B" with some minor changes.    We specifically recommended that the current open space be retained as multi-use fields, specifically for Lacrosse and Soccer.
 
 
Some entity will have to bear the cost to develop the fields and relocate the gardens (if Option 1 is selected).   The  garden plots are used by taxpayers from both of the school districts in town.   The tax payers from the other school district have acquired the property and pay for the use and maintenance of those fields.    I do not think any Park District programs that cater to taxpayers from both School Districts should be upended or their funds should be expended to satisfy District 203's need for extracurricular athletic fields.
 
 
Please keep in mind the following story related to me by a gentleman who supports keeping all of the garden plots on West Street: "When I was in high school, the soccer team often ran to our practice field which was several miles away. We would have never thought to target as our own, a long established, community and public space for our practice field."
 
 
 
Douglas A Dallmer



September 27, 2008


Commissioner
Naperville Park District
320 W.Jackson Ave.
Naperville, IL 60540

Dear Commissioner:


We are writing to express our opposition to the proposal to move more than half of the garden plots to the far south east side of Naperville in order for North Central High School to obtain use of this land. As long time gardeners, we and most of the other gardeners believe the West Street location is best for the garden plots in its current configuration. In addition, there are economic and intangible reasons to keep all of the garden plots at the West Street location.


While it would be nice to cooperate with the Central's plans for extracurricular activities, we believe the primary responsibility of the Park District is to all its constituents. Moving the garden plots to the DuPage River Park is definitely not in the interest of the majority of gardeners. If the plan to move the plots comes to fruition, many if not all of the displaced gardeners will simply end their participation in the program. By the way, we are also in School District 203, but that doesn't mean we automatically support the expansion of the high school playing fields. ,


 

There are several good reasons to keep all of the garden plots in their current West Street location:
  1. The centrally located garden plots are ideal and convenient for the vast majority of gardeners, being close to downtown, city hall, Nichols Library, etc.
  2. The West Street location is easy to get to for most people.
  3. The soil quality in the West Street location is excellent for gardening and has been improved by the gardeners for 30 years.
  4. The land is used by Park District residents many hours of the day during the season. (Central would use the land perhaps 2 hours a day.)
  5. By continuing the agricultural tradition of cultivating this parcel of land like city founder-farmers did in the past, the garden plots are in a sense a living museum.

To move 100 plots to the South section would require use of the designated wetland area which means wetlands acreage in another area would, by law, have to be created. This would cost $150,000/acre.


Some of the reasons not to move the garden plots to DuPage River Park are implicit in the list above. However, one additional reason that having garden plots there is a bad idea is the proximity to the city limit. As has already happened with tennis courts that are in that park, there will most likely be an increased incidence of vandalism and/or loitering by non-residents compared to the West Street location. This will undoubtedly mean additional costs to the Park District due to the policing requirement.


There is a solution for Central's desire for more ball fields for extracurricular activities. Why not have the ball fields Central says it needs at the DuPage River Park location? The parents of those children who wish to participate in the extracurricular program can pay to bus their children to the south side for the two or so hours a day that they'll use the field. We think this is a fair solution for everyone.


It would be a shame to convert the garden plots at West Street to ball fields, and thus end a very healthy and socially positive program for so many people, young, middle-aged and old. As mentioned above, most of the displaced gardeners will not continue with the program if it means traveling to DuPage River Park. We ask that you keep the garden plots program in its current location because this is what makes sense.


Sincerely,


L.aurian Edan & Elaine Fisher

Memorandum

To:      Park District Board Members
From: Albert S. Cain
Date:   9/22/2008
Re:      Garden Plots

I was one of the eight speakers at the September 11 Park District meeting. This was the second meeting for me. I think that I am very typical in that, until recently I had no idea how to get involved in the process.

In June of this year the Park District, School District and City of Naperville sponsored a meeting for discussion of the Caroline Martin Mitchell properties. Included in their draft recommendation at that time was replacement of much of today’s garden plots with athletic fields. I only found out about this meeting and its contents from a person representing the West Street Greenspace Preservation Coalition who was handling out circulars the day of the meeting. I knew nothing before meeting this woman.

I attended the meeting and participated. There were basically four interest groups who had been in the Martin Mitchell recommendations. These were deemed “stakeholders” by the committee making the presentation. They were the Von Oven Scout Reservation, the Naperville Sportsmen’s club, the Park District and School District 203. I questioned this on behalf of the gardeners. These stakeholders had had a seat at the table so to speak as this recommendation was developed.

Essentially, all of the “stakeholders” had their interests protected. At that time, as so now, the Von Oven Scout Reservation is not slated for conversion to other use, nor is the Sportsmen’s Club. School District 203 is penciled in as a future owner of what is now the Community Garden Plots, and has been chosen as the entity to conduct the community meetings on this issue. The gardeners are on the outside looking in, speaking out but not being heard, definitely not having a seat at the table, not considered stakeholders.
 There were perhaps twenty gardeners at the meeting in June, so few because very few knew that the meeting was to take place. Good input was given. We asked that in the future the gardeners be notified by the Park District by mail when meetings related to this issue were to be held. The Park District agreed.

Following this meeting, the Park District did not notify gardeners of the next meeting. We knew that there was a Park District meeting slated for September 11, but none of us knew if they were to discuss the garden plots. We therefore could not notify the gardeners of the meeting.
Approaching the meeting, on Friday, September 5th I telephoned the Park District and also School District 203 to obtain an agenda for the meeting. I had no response from the School District, but I did get an E-Mail response from the Director of Recreation at the Park District on Saturday, September 6. The garden plot conversion proposal was on the agenda for September 11.

No one knew this (except me). I reprinted the letter from Brad Wilson and took copies to the garden plots, hoping to speak with gardeners, encouraging them to attend the meeting. I stayed at the garden plots most of Saturday and Sunday, speaking with gardeners and giving out the news on the meeting. The problem was that there were so few gardeners in the plots this late in the season. But I still got approximately ten people to attend, most of who participated (The Park District eventually placed a notice at the garden plots on Monday before the meeting. That day and the following day were the days of the six inch rain. We were completely rained out of the gardens. Almost no one saw their notice at this late date).

In regard to the gardeners giving input as the various letters from the Park District recommend, our problem is that there appears to be a concerted effort by the Park District to keep the gardeners in the dark. They will not mail notices of key meetings in bulk to the gardeners. They will not give us the list to do the mailings, nor give us telephone numbers. They have not surveyed the gardeners for their opinions by mail. This late in the season, getting the word out, now that this effort is becoming official is almost impossible without help from the Park District. 

It is improper that School District 203 is the body conducting meetings to gather input on conversion of the garden plots to sports fields. They are contending for this property. Why is one of the contending parties controlling the gathering of input from citizens? Why are the gardeners not considered stakeholders like the School District, the Scouts and the Sportsmen? 

It appears very obvious that the strategy is to keep the gardeners from having involvement in this process. If that is not true, can the gardeners be given equal status with School District 203 in the conduct of these upcoming meetings? Would the Park District agree to notify gardeners of upcoming meetings and events on this issue? If not, would the Park District lend the list of Garden Plot participants to representatives of the Garden Plot program? Would the Park District accept a representative group of gardeners as insiders, stakeholders for our members as we go forward?

I would appreciate an answer to these questions from the Park District. 
 

 
Albert S. Cain

NO RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED TO THIS LETTER TO THE BOARD

A Letter to the Editor - Naperville Sun
Not enough programs for Naperville gardeners

I'm glad for the publicity the editorial gives to the issue of the garden plots being under threat. I have gardened at the plots for the past 18 years and testified last week before the Park District against the plots being taken. The plots are used by seniors, young families and the handicapped from May through October every year. There are not nearly enough programs for these users. I question the use that would be given by Naperville Central High School in the spring and fall if they were taken for a lacrosse and soccer field.
The main point of the editorial was that few gardeners testified before the Park District. I believe the reason for that is simple. Mail notice of the meeting was not sent to the gardeners. There was insufficient time between when the agenda was set and the meeting for mail notice to be sent. However, the staff of the Park District should be commended for posting notice at the plots. I testified that if the Park District was interested in full input from the gardeners, mail notice should be sent. Additionally, there is a perception that the decision had already been made. If the Park District asks the gardeners for their opinion, they will definitely give it.


Chuck Prock
Naperville



Memorandum

To:           Cy Frank –Naperville Sun

From:        Al Cain

Date:       10/1/2008

Re:          Garden Plot Situation

Cy:

Thanks for your interest in this issue. I enjoyed speaking with you.

As you know, the garden plots are located in a part of the Caroline Martin Mitchell legacy properties. We share this site with a number of other groups, to include the Sportsmens’ park for shooting and the Von Oven Scout Reservation.

But three of the groups we share it with are growing: Edward Hospital, Central High School, and the Naperville Park District. There has been pressure for years due to their growth and need for additional space. As an example, Edward Hospital now has buildings all of the way from Washington to West Street. They are obviously strapped for parking.


Over the years we, as gardeners have known that the other groups have eyes on our site for their expansion. There was a move to locate a skate park on the site some years ago which was defeated, as an example.


To us, the site is key to our program. This was a commercial farm before it was turned into gardens. When I first gardened, we had a poor quality site on Plainfield Road. I dropped out of the program because the soil was very difficult to work. I joined again when they designated the West Street site for us.


This site is ideal. Primarily it is the fine, Illinois topsoil, three to four feet thick. It was professionally farmed and cultivated for many years prior to our movement there, improving it further. It is well drained. It is also centrally located.


We as gardeners know that there is no similar available piece of land in Naperville. The Park District has designated a site on Royce Road, near Bolingbrook. But this is just a park, not a commercial farm. And the distance is a real problem for our users, which gets back to the issue of seniors.


A lot of seniors have gardens in our plots. I cannot tell you what the percentage is, Cy. I was estimate that it is at least a third of all gardeners. For a lot of them the gardens are a social medium. They tend to spend hours on end at the plots, tilling them, watering them. I notice that around me the seniors seem to know one another as well as the no-senior gardeners. Some of my best friends at the plots are seniors. I have gotten a lot of gardening advice from them over the years.


The seniors are especially worried about moving the plots. My impression is that they tend to live in the central area of Naperville. None of the ones I know live in the far south. I have no data on this. But for the record, the Park District has told us that more than 50%of all gardeners live north of 75th Street. I really believe that the percentage is higher for seniors.


I have been told by a number of serious gardening seniors that they will not follow the gardening program to Royce Road. I believe them. In the early part of the season we all spend hours on site at the plots, preparing the soil and planting crops. But as the season moves into the summer, our pattern is to visit daily for watering and weeding only. That means a lot of short visits to the plots. Same thing is true late in the season, when the crops are ready. We visit for fifteen minutes to pick vegetables and leave. That is easy at a convenient location. It would be very tough if the gardens were a long way off.


Another item in our minds is the safety of our current plots. We have very little problem with theft. Many of us even leave tools in the plots, not worried about losing them. Naperville has athletic facilities already at DuPage River Park. They have a high incidence of theft we are told. They also have a problem with people loitering on the property. Understand, this is immediately proximate to the Bolingbrook commercial area. This would be a problem for the gardeners.


Current Developments

What triggered the current debate was the decision to review the Caroline Martin Mitchell property use by the city. A group of “stakeholders” was appointed by the city to do this. It included the Park District, School District 203, the Von Oven Scout Reservation and the Sportsmen’s’ club.


Their first draft recommended that the garden plots be mostly converted to sports fields. They convened a meeting on June 20, 2008 to obtain public input. They did not notify the gardeners of this meeting. However, a group called the West Street Greenspace Coalition was engaged with the Park District on another subject (Hobson Ponds issue), learned of it and distributed literature at the garden plots a few days before the meeting. I attended.


The meeting had probably twenty five gardeners in attendance. I would estimate that fifteen gardeners spoke. I questioned the “stakeholder” appointments. Specifically, each stakeholder had an issue at stake, and each stakeholder’s issue was protected. The report recommended no change to the status of either the Sportsmen’s’ or the Scouts use of property. The report recommended considering our garden plots for expansion of Central High School’s athletic fields.


Not being stakeholders, the gardeners program was not protected. It was penciled in for destruction (most of the plots), giving it to the School District.


A lot of sophisticated questions were asked. What has testing shown about soil and drainage at DuPage River Park? Was there any pollution in the soil? How would the fields be used by the High School?


Here is what we learned:

·         No testing had been done at DuPage River Park. They were planning on doing that if the gardens were selected to move there, not before.

·         The fields would only be used for after-school activities, not for PE class activities. This meant that they would be used only a few hours each day during the school year, compared with the gardens, which are used all day long.

·         No analysis had been done on utilization of the fields was available to give us. That is, they had no data on how many fields a high school like Central should have by industry standards, how much utilization they now had per field, what the optimum utilization per field was etc. I am not saying that this does not exist. But when we asked for it, they had no answers.  On this, I have found numerous studies on the Internet conducted by communities facing the same decision Naperville faces. They measure the utilization of the fields by hours per week, also travel to the fields, scheduling proficiency, and determine if new fields are needed or not.

·         The methodology of the School District was to have dedicated fields by sport. One questioner asked why not use the soccer fields on West Street as extra fields for baseball and football practice during those seasons. Even professional teams share facilities. (I recall that the St. Louis football Cardinals and the St. Louis Baseball Cardinals shared Busch Stadium for many years. We would see the football team playing across the infield on TV). Naperville will not do this. The baseball fields are now idle as I pass West Street. They are not used for football practice.

·         The Cemetery has called back some practice fields from the Park District.

·         There is a new sport coming into Naperville, Lacrosse. They need dedicated fields for this sport. Right now they practice at Nike Park in North Naperville, where the facilities are sufficient. They just want to be closer to the school.

·         The gardeners were in the dark on all of this because they were not being notified of meetings or proposals being made.


An outside event

Not spoken of in this meeting or in other meetings was the impact construction at Central High School will have on the entire area around the School. We now know that construction is slated for next spring, and that it will take up much of the available parking at the School. This creates a big problem for the School, which many of us suspect may be causing their immediate need for our garden plots, for use as parking during the construction time, sports fields later.


Status at this time

There was a critical meeting on September 11. It was not pre-announced to the gardeners as a meeting to discuss the garden plot issue. I telephoned the Park District on September 5 to see if our item was on the agenda. I got a return E-Mail the next day, Saturday. I learned that the garden plot was in fact on the agenda. I went to the garden plots most of Saturday and Sunday to inform the gardeners. This time of year there are few gardeners at the plots, but I rounded up enough people for us to have a presence at the meeting. We had about twenty gardeners and fielded eight speakers.


We covered the points I have mentioned above. The District Board members said nothing, and asked no questions. They then voted to keep the garden plot issue alive, and to give the School District charge for gathering community input on the issue.


This is a big problem for us. There are two parties contending for our plot site – the gardeners and the School District. The School District has been given control of gathering input from the community. We feel that there is no way the School District will recommend that the community wants to retain the gardening program as-is. They are very large and well-funded. They have probably a thousand employees to send to meetings to vote for their proposal. Add the pressure on students to win the parents’ vote and this puts the gardeners in a very bad position.


At the September 11 meeting we made a strong case that seniors have few options under the programs offered by the Park District. The garden program is wonderful for them. It gives them recreation, exercise, sunshine and fresh vegetables. It has become a social network for them.

There was absolutely no response to this, except that a letter to the editor at the Sun by a gardener produced a reaction from the Park District to the effect that there are many seniors programs besides gardening. But none of the programs they listed are active, exercising, outdoor programs like the gardening program.


This is a generational issue. We have a lot of seniors and a lot of families with young children in the gardening program. It is unique serving these groups. The teenagers at Central have a lot of programs. If we destroy the gardening program we do not get a great new program for the teenagers, but just a minimal expansion in an existing sports program. What are we teaching our children about community fairness and sharing? Why are the needs of the seniors, adults and young families seen as subservient to the needs of the children?


That is a synopsis of our issue, Cy. There is a lot of interesting commentary on our web site, Napergardens.com. Especially check out the “What Gardeners Say.”


One more item. The letter I wrote to the Editor at the Sun about the Park District keeping us in the dark elicited a response from the Park District, which has corrected the problem by putting in a formal gardener notification system to use during the conduct of the garden plots issue. This is our first victory in this struggle.



Al Cain



Letter to Napergardens.com
Comments: Can someone take soil samples from the proposed river location where the plots are proposed relocated? Across the river (near where Naperville becomes Bolingbrook on Naper Blvd) there's a dumping area (unmarked) for will county. While it's "authorized vehicles only," there's no gate, and my curiosity had me pull my car in years ago, and there were leaky barrels and sludge smells. My concern is vegetable plants and young gardeners should there be soil contaminants. If the soil is sound, I would feel better about weighing the pros and cons of the possible relocation. This seems like a small request to make of the Park District. But if they won't do it, can the gardeners take up a collection to pay for soil samples?

J. H.
Naperville


 

 
Mr. Mayor,

Please see the below emails…
 I am feeling so disappointed.  I feel like the message is that the garden plots can just be plopped anywhere and that the gardeners do not matter. 

Naperville has a WONDERFUL reputation as being a child-centered community and that is one of the aspects which makes our community great.

We have other community members besides the high school athletes at Central High School who should be valued and considered when we are evaluating the best use of lands.
 I know you will guide the city council members and the other stake holders in doing what is best for the entire Naperville community.

Thank you for all your dedication to the community.

Concerned Gardener


Robert,Thank you for your response to my email.

I think that is my point---the soil quality at the plots will not be the same at other locations.  I don’t believe a new location at Royce and Washington would provide a location where the gardens are “safe” or where the soil quality would match what we already have. 

I can say too it feels really horrible—like being totally disregarded and like the gardens and gardeners do not matter.  Why are the gardeners and their families who use the plots May through October less important than the athletes who would use the field/former plots? 
 I do not think it is wrong to evaluate the current use of the lands. However, I do hope that all community members will be valued and not pushed aside.Thanks for your consideration.

Concerned Gardener
 

 
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